Was Jesus the Son of God from eternity past?

jesus-8283_1280Genesis 10:8: Now Cush became the father of Nimrod; he became a mighty one on the earth.

God did not become the father of Jesus until his incarnation. There is no evidence to the contrary in the bible. It is stretching the truth to claim that Jesus was eternally the son of God. He wasn’t. That underplays how vitally important the incarnation is, as a means through which God the father became the father of the Jesus, the second person of the trinity.

Many have tried to figure things out about Jesus. It is heretic to claim he is not God, but the problem comes when trying to determine the kind of relationship Jesus, as we know him, had with the first person of the trinity (who is God) in eternity past.

[God the Father has been the father from eternity past being the source of all things. However, even that name was not the exclusive preserve of the first person of the trinity, the word father was also applied to the one who will later be called the Son. Isaiah said he will be called everlasting father (Isaiah 9:6). And the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father (Matthew 10:20), through whom we cry Abba father (Romans 8:14-16).]

So with no biblical backing whatsoever, just because it seems to show Jesus in great light, many theologians has fallen over themselves to claim that Jesus was the Son of God from eternity. They try to scrape together some meaning from some obscure bible verses to build a case that is not case for the eternal sonship of Jesus. They attempt to remove what they see is the cloak of mystery off the identity of Jesus in eternal past, but they only confuse the matter the more, drawing a conclusion, which the bible did not come to, by overstretching their imaginative reasoning, beyond biblical latitude.

And do not tell me about some spiritual fathers of yonder years came to a similar conclusion. The bible says: to the law and to the testimony, if they do not speak according to this world, there is no light in them (Isaiah 8:20). The word of God is foundational to truth, not the reasoning of men. It is time to remove the veil from the true Jesus, it is then we can experience him fully as a church.

Those who push the eternal sonship of Jesus, under whatever theological cloak, do not know that they actually underplay the seriousness of the incarnation, and how everything changed because of that, on earth and in heaven; how at the incarnation, a new thing came to being that never was. God had a Son by the Holy Spirit tying himself to be expressed in time. That may offend your sensibility, but it aligns with biblical testimony.

Those who push the eternal sonship of Jesus reveal a gap in their understanding of what the incarnation really means. That was God showing all his hands in the womb of Mary to undo the work of the enemy on the earth and in our lives (1John 3:8). It was God’s “all-in”. It was that serious.

To say Jesus had been the son of God from eternity, is false. The first person called the Son of God in the bible was Adam. God also called Israel his Son. So there is really nothing special in being called Son of God, so we should not feel compelled in a bid to honour Jesus, try to make him Son of God before he really became it. If you say he was not the son of God from eternity, he would not be angry with you because he was not. Forget about what your theologian told you.

Sonship and fatherhood, have in them the understanding of the prior existence of the father and the latter emergence of the son. Any attempt to stretch this concept beyond that is to engage in theological hocus-pocus.  Sonship and fatherhood, brings the idea of time. The father is before the son, simple.

Before we go on, we need to answer this question: Since Jesus was God, and he was not the son of God from eternity, who was he?

He was God the word, being there at the beginning, but without beginning, so fully not less than fully God.

John the apostle of Jesus did not mince word, but clarified that from the first words of his story about Jesus (John 1:1-5).

Peter by revelation told Jesus: you are the Christ the son of the living God (Matthew 16:16). He was not the Christ for eternity, it was his call by birth, being the Son of David, and he was not the son of David for eternity.

So in a bid to be theologically correct, we cannot bend over backwards to ascribe eternal reference to everything about Jesus.

For example he was not Jesus from eternity, and no length and depth of biblical exegesis will allow us to come to that conclusion.

Jesus was God the Word from eternity, he was not God the Son. It is interesting that the phrase “God the Son” never occurred in the bible, it is always Son of God. God the Son is a wrong theological construct, covering up the truth about the time-bound essence of Jesus, as the prototype son of God in the flesh and the one we are to be patterned after (Ephesians 4).

We cannot be God the son, Jesus was never and is never God the Son, because the only point of his incarnation was so that in all things he can be made like us (Hebrews 2:12-13), and we can be one with him. We cannot be God like him as God the son, since we cannot be God, but we can be one with him as Son of God.

As God the son, he will be far off and that defeats the whole mandate of Jesus to bring men to God, but as Son of God, he is near, since other men have been called son of God. And in the book of Job we read of the Sons of God coming to have a meeting with God (Job 2:1-5). We cannot be like him as God the son, but as Son of God. He is not the first person to be so called, it is not so strange to us, not beyond our reach.

Jesus is the Son of God in the ultimate sense. When angel Gabriel came to Mary to inform her that he will give birth to the son of God (Luke 1:26-42), he said: the one that will be conceived in you shall be called the Son of the highest. He did not say: he was called the son of the highest. That was not his name pre-incarnation, though he existed in eternity past. Let us not get it confused. In our bid to honour the son of God, we should not be found guilty of the mistaken identity.

When we realise that the sonship of Jesus started in time, we can fully identify with him as his body, connected to him in the oneness of the Spirit, in a vital spiritual sense. He is not afar off, he is near in us, as sons of God, through faith in him.  It is on that basis the time-limiting concept of Jesus being the son of God that we understand how we are sons of God.

We are only sons of God to the extent that Jesus is and nothing more. A more accurately understanding of his sonship will give us a more accurate understanding of our own sonship.

Incarnation

This was the point of the implantation of Jesus in the womb of Mary. It happened at a point in time, so also is salvation.  And the birth of Jesus was by the Holy Spirit. So, there is no spiritual rebirth without the Holy Spirit. He is the one who seals us, being the sign of divine ownership of us. We also read: the Lord knows those who are his, and the lord knows those who are is and let those who name God’s name depart from iniquity (2Timothy 2:19).

Invasion

Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, but he experienced Holy Spirit invasion while he was being baptised in water by John. The heaven was opened and the Holy Spirit came mightily upon him. That brought him to the limelight, in the explosive power of God (Luke 3, 4).

Translation

Jesus third level experience of the Holy Spirit is at the resurrection. We read that he was declared to be the son of God with power by the Holy Spirit, being gifted with an undying body (Romans 1:4).

Conclusion

At those three levels he was declared to be the son of God. When Mary was having a conversation with Gabriel (Luke ), He was declared to be the son of God then, when Gabriel said that he will be called the son of the highest. At the age of twelve we see that identity fully formed (Luke 2:48-50), but at the baptism of John, it was not the voice of Gabriel speaking to Mary, but the voice of God from heaven, in the midst of the people who came to receive the same baptism in the river Jordan by John (Luke 3:22).

In the first declaration by Gabriel, only Mary heard it, the second declaration was by the father, who is the one who gave the Holy Spirit to us. But the third declaration was not by words but action, by the resurrection, which marks permanent victory of death (Colossians 2:14-16) and was witnessed by all devils in hell, and angels in heaven, and to be proclaimed among men through the believers (2Timothy 3:16).

In the same vein, John wrote that we do not know what we would be like, but when we get our new resurrected bodies we would be like Jesus (1John 3:1-4) in his our resurrected body. But we cannot be like God the Son, but like Son of God.

When Jesus rose from the death, he appeared to many people eating and fellowshipped with them in a new body that can go through wall, and could be invincible at times.

At that times we would be sons of God on a whole new level, the third level. For us, the incarnation stands for the new birth; the invasion stands for the baptism of the Holy Spirit; the translation, the gaining of the new bodies at the resurrection of the just, is what we await at the second coming of Jesus.

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11 thoughts on “Was Jesus the Son of God from eternity past?

  1. Sir, your article says, “God did not become the father of Jesus until his incarnation. There is no evidence to the contrary in the bible”.
    Scripture declares otherwise as shown in these Scriptures verses below. Let us agree with, speak and teach what is in Scripture and taught therein, not adding or taking away from it.

    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” Revelation 1:17 When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, – Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually. Colossians 1:17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. Matthew 22:44-46 ‘THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, “SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I PUT YOUR ENEMIES BENEATH YOUR FEET “‘? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? No one was able to answer Him a word, nor did anyone dare from that day on to ask Him another question.

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    1. Thank you Kevin
      Without prejudice to all the scriptures you have pointed out, I think you are too hasty to judge me as someone seeking to add or take away from the scriptures.
      Note I never said that Jesus is not God, and to be God means to be eternal. Most of the scriptures you cited either had to do with prophecy about Jesus, meaning what was said about him before his incarnation, another example is the fact that he will be born by a virgin, that is not an eternal fact, he was not born of a virgin in eternity past, but at a latter time to when the words came forth.
      John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
      The Above did not contradict my premise, only showing that Jesus was once called The Word.
      John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”
      Of course, he is God.
      Revelation 1:17 When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, –
      No argument
      Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.
      This refers to Melchizedek, and here Jesus is explained as being “without beginning of days nor end of life” that also affirms the eternality of Jesus. The fact that he is the Son of God, only emerged after the incarnation, in which this letter to the Hebrews was penned.
      Colossians 1:17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
      No argument
      Matthew 22:44-46 ‘THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, “SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I PUT YOUR ENEMIES BENEATH YOUR FEET “‘? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? No one was able to answer Him a word, nor did anyone dare from that day on to ask Him another question.
      That was a reference to the Prophetic declaration of David concerning the future Jesus, just as there is a Prophetic word that he will die for our sin, which happened only after sometimes.
      The point is, we agree, but you should be careful to see that I am affirming a change in identify from God the word to God the son by the fact of the incarnation.
      I hope I am clear.
      God was never man before the incarnation. Before time, what we had was God the Father, God the Word, and God the Holy Spirit, the incarnation made it: God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit. That has a major implication for us as Christians. It means we can now have the life of Jesus, because he took upon himself our life. He became what he never was, (Son of God) so that we can become what we never were (Sons of God.)
      I did not remove from the work of salvation but strengthen it.
      Thanks.

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  2. Your absolutely wrong and to deny Jesus being the Son in eternity past is to deny the Trinity of God. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit were and are the Triune God. Elohim is the plurality of the person of God am sure you understand that? I discern the error in your premise is, You are trying to use human logic and not seeing this from the eternal present mind of God.

    Jesus said in John 14:9 Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

    Elohim is the Triune God or you must explain who is scripture speaking of when it says; “Wisdom was with Him. Proverbs 8:22″The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old. 23″From everlasting I was established, From the beginning, from the earliest times of the earth. He goes on to say; in John” I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I “had” with You before the world was.
    This is not as you stated in another statement about John 1 “prophetic”.
    Also if Jesus was not with God the father in the beginning; who was it that God was speaking of when he stated in Gen. 1 ; 26 Then Elohim said, “Let Us make man in “Our” image, according to Our likeness;

    If Jesus Christ was not with the Father before His birth. Then why would He say in John 17; ” 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. How can one be sent who does not exists.
    These passage alone debunks your teaching and I can go on and on. It’s not my intention to argue or demean you. I just think we who desire to teach the Word be careful. We do not want to cause others to stumble. We must also remember we who teach are held to a stricter judgement.

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    1. My dear friend, you are not the first person to misunderstand this piece, and I doubt you will be the last. I also doubt if you read the whole peace before you decided to take me to the cleaners. And if you had taken the time to read through the comments, you would have seen a similar comment like yours and how I answered it. I won’t be repeating myself. Shalom.

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  3. That is quite the easy way out.
    Just answer this. Who was Jesus in etetnity past if He was not the Son. Also what did Jesus mean when He said. ” The glory I had with You and who was God sending.
    I believe you think you have a private interpretation, which the Word says there is none.
    If other Brothers have the same comment. I think the Holy Spirit has revealed this truth to us.

    Am not going back and reading all your responses to find what you said in the past
    It takes as much time to respond with an answer as it took you to say what you just said.
    If you answer me, I can respond from what God has revealed to me and my understand.

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    1. Thank you for giving me the way out. Who was Jesus from eternity past if not the Son of God? He was God the Word. Remember John 1:1. He only assumed the identity of God the Son at the incarnation.

      If God can change, we can change from bad to good.

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      1. First I would like to thank you for giving me a personal response to my question.
        This isn’t about who is right or who is wrong. It;s about Truth. Whether were speaking it or teaching it.
        I agree that Jesus is the Word but His identity in the godhead is the Son of God. He did not assume an identity at His birth. Every time the Triune God is represented throughout Church history as, The Father Son and Holy Spirit. That would be like saying the Holy Spirit became the Holy spirit on the day of Pentecost. I would say if what your saying is correct. The forefathers would have stated that the Trinty was the Father, Word, and Holy Spirit
        It is like I said in my first response. Most Christians think in the present of what already is in God’s mind. Jesus said Our Father which is in Heaven Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it
        “is in heaven” (Matthew 6:9-10 The Kingdom of God is Reality we are just experiencing and living it.
        Also;
        Jesus was manifested throughout the Old Testament. Like in Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, “Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. This was stated around 400 years before the birth of Jesus Christ.

        Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you, but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
        Mercy & Grace
        Troy

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      2. I see how you struggle to wiggle out of agreeing with me.
        1. I never said anything was wrong with saying God the Father God the Son God the Holy
        2. I never said there was no trinity eternally existing, so should have wasted your time citing old testament and the father’ Creed.
        3. Jesus was not the Son of God before the incarnation, he was the Word. I don’t know how you can escape that conclusion.
        Have you read that there are three that bear witness in heaven the Father the word and the Spirit.
        4. You mentioned the Holy Spirit, that was really desperate of you. The Holy Spirit was specifically mentioned as being in operation in the old testament, as in the new, but in the new he had a new functionality as relating to the church.
        5. God was never human before the incarnation. God changed at the incarnation. The Word became flesh and dwelled among us. That word became is an irreversible reaction. In a prophetic word referring to Jesus, we read, the Father referring to the son, to day I have begotten you. That was referring to the incarnation.
        6. You mention there should be no dissension. Who is trying to dessent. Is it me? I show you a dimension of truth you did not see before. Just agree.
        7. You mentioned the day of Pentecost, that was low.

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  4. Regarding your statement “Jesus, we read, the Father referring to the son, to day I have begotten you. That was referring to the incarnation.”

    Son of God is a reference to his physical birth at the incarnation of the Word, “made of a woman, made under the law”(Gal 4:4), therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:35), however ‘begotten Son of God’ is in reference to his resurrection, His spiritual birth when He was raised from the dead. “… in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead,… Acts 13:33-34

    “..who have been born, not of blood, nor of flesh’s will,…And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:13-14) The beheld glory of Jesus was his conquering of death through which He glorified the Father and was to receive glory, see John 17:4-10.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. (1 John 5:1) By believing in Jesus we are born again, this is a spiritual birth. “hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 1:3)

    Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (2 Cor. 5:17) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. (1 Cor. 15:46)

    He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:18)

    To be ‘born again’ is the same as ‘born from above’ and unless Jesus died and was born again, we would have no salvation and no second birth. If Jesus was not raised from the dead our faith would be in vain. see 1 Corinthians 15:14.

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